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Okay commenting when I'm only halfway through the article so hopefully you haven't made this point, but sorry if you have! The easy combination of spending time together and workng at home is exactly how it used to be, right? Modern life is so frigid in comparison. The idea of doing household work at home with my family is something that is so alien to me that I've been trained never to do it - you clean the house top to bottom BEFORE any visitor steps foot inside. You make the food BEFORE they arrive. You do it all by yourself and you'd better not act like it was difficult or you're a bad host. Spending time together is a separate activity. It creates a sense of sterility and performance. You grew up with imperfection at home being normal (as it should be!!!) as people nip in and out amd there being no judgement about how messy the house is in its lived in state. This lowers standards and anxiety so much - it means you can show up as you are and be accepted and loved and pitch in imperfectly. I never felt I could show up as I am: our family culture was all inflexibility and ossification and stilted social rules. This right here is what I am aiming to change about my family culture. Thank you for helping me identify a roadmap!

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No, I didn't make that point explicitly here (it was getting rambly and long, and I have another half written post in my drafts all on the nature of work, drawing from some of the book clubs we've had). But you are absolutely right to point that out, that this is how it was.

It's so interesting, even the way you've phrased the rest of your comment (like the idea imperfection and *finishing* housework before guests come over) just isn't in my conceptual landscape. I never felt it was imperfection, it just felt like... Life. My mum would always say that work never ends - there were so many of us that we DID scrub the house from top to bottom with chores for everyone but we knew it would just get messy again and so the cycle would repeat. We would finish cooking but know we've got another batch to do tomorrow. Mind you, with enough of us, the house was generally spotless at multiple points in the day because immediately after cooking with everyone, we would all then clean up. It's so much harder if you have to do it all on your own.

Lol I have the opposite reaction to you: last year my domestic life totally fell to shambles for reasons we've talked about, so this year I asked all my cousins and some friends to come over and spend some weekends clearing out all my piled up mess, junk, shredding, etc. And because we were just hanging out and laughing during it, it was even fun! To me that is what friendship IS and it would be weird for me to have friends I have to hide this from - Like this is literally just what my life is right now, so what does it mean to be friends if that's tucked away?

Don't get me wrong, I think some boundaries are always useful, things like private relationships etc. And of course if I invite people come over, I'll try to do a general clean and cook. But the flipside to that is if we're close enough for you to eat in my house, we're also close enough for you to see the chaos of my life up closely when life goes nuts 😆

We did have the concept of "home people" and "guests" though. "Home people" were all our close family and also our friends, they could stop by anytime etc (extends to all the children's friends and anyone THEY were close to, so it's quite widely defined. That's how you end up with your sister's classmate's aunt randomly staying over lol). So for "home people", you hang out together and do chores together and don't stress about the chaos.

But for "guests", it's more formal, more distant, more like you've described - I love the phrasing of "frigid." But a "guest" would be like if my teacher came over to dinner or an elder relative, someone you need to show respect to. Everyone else joins in the muck of life together.

I do find hosting proper "guests" much more stressful, more like you've described. I've just dealt with this by just eliminating "guest" visits to my home altogether 😂. "Guests" get treated at restaurants, and friends get the messy, chaotic home view. I guess that's more like what you describe for even your friends. I did find this element of coldness sometimes with my new English friends in the beginning, and you've helped me put the finger on where it came from.

Aww, very glad to have any contribution whatsoever to any ideas for your family culture! I think those shared times of work/chores and spending time together can be so special. All my favourite memories of my time with my grandmother and my mum all revolve around cooking together. Likewise my friend's brothers would really love it when they got to hang out with their dad over lots of random house projects (as well as regular stuff like sports etc). Anyways as usual I've yapped on enough now!!

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